Grandpa’s fingerprints are all over this. So much in this short script is SO him: “a world without boundaries,” “free to reach beyond any ocean,” “the infinite power of communication.” And this is how he talked – Mr. Positivity all the time. No kidding.
Anyway, we know what IASW stands for, but why would he include it in his science fiction? And the “technological advancements” he mentions here sound a lot like stuff we use today. Hmm. Reminds me of Jules Verne. Predicting things like the solar sail and electric submarines.
Honestly, this script is a bit out there. Okay, more than a bit. And I love it! Grandpa’s imagination is still taking me places. And now it’s transporting us. All of us! Together. And I say the farther the better.
Found this in the bottom of the crate that had all of those things from the World’s Fair.
Wow this is simply amazing. I wonder what It’s a small world would be like if we heard things like this. Very interesting to think about.
Amelia, the one thing that stood out to me immediately is first line: “IASW Alternate VIP Narration Track”. I think that you Grandfather specifically wrote the script for the secret tours that were given and mentioned on the letter from WED to all contractors. Those VIP’s were most like Hughes, Bradbury, and Von Braun, and given at times on the translated brochure.
Hmm.
Perhaps one of those VIPs was Mr. Lott. His family website says that his family was some of the very first people to ride IASW.
“Predetermined times with predetermined *participants*” from the WED letter. I’d agree those listed on the shorthand brochure were at least some of the VIP “participants.” Which is an interesting choice of words… Participant.
Amelia, I don’t think this was a fictional writing. Remember the WED Voice Mail System said that Lott Construction had access to a “secure area” in IASW and something called Signal Flag was ready for private demo at the World’s Fair. An alternate script for VIPs riding on IASW for a private demo of Signal Flag?
I’m having trouble reading the handwriting, can someone transcribe it?
Yeah, I do remember. I’ve always known Grandpa as a storyteller. And lately that designation has been getting foggier and foggier.
Stranger than fiction as the saying goes… =)
Wow, your gramps was such a forward thinker Amelia! And theres a lot to absorb here. I think we should map out the connections mentioned here (alps-buckingham,london bridge to eiffel, etc etc) and the ones mentioned in the other script (atlanta-paris, st louis arc etc) maybe thats the key to forming the “symbol of F.U.T.U.R.E.” I would do it myself but I gotta run out to work, so if no-one gets around to it I can when I get home tonight.
I’m thinking the locations of those items in the IASW ride might be more central to figuring out this part than the locations of the real places – maybe if we see how this narration lines up to the ride, something might jump out at us.
The narration lines up with Wallace’s poster of ISAM. Both in description and location in the ride.
Oh yeah…
Here’s what I make out from the handwriting:
Flip to alternate narration track when VIP boats enter
For our actor: Stress this V[ery] important
Mention how quickly this change has occurred – with the span of a generation
Bavarian Alps mentioned too late? Need to test timing.
Good. I like these connections.
thought you’d keep the reference to room 2, but somehow this works.
Another word for this? “Device” is so bland.
Good work overall! Our VIP guests should love this
Thanks Megan!
It’s always a treat when you read something about instant communication, and here we are. Doing that exact same thing. It’s a pretty crazy thought. The thoughts, dreams, and imaginations of the minds from the past, have become a reality.
Yeah, it’s easy to lose sight of how much things have changed unless we look back once and a while. Sometimes all it takes is time and determination to do the impossible, to make a seemingly impossible dream come true.
Like Walt said, “It’s kind of fun to do the impossible.”!
Yes he did.
Page one
Anyone going to Disneyland today/tomorrow? Between this and the new Tomorrowland map on Disney Cartography, we need someone to check out the scene this lines up with, plus the autopia and submarine ride for their “special attractions.”
I’ll be at Disneyland this Saturday. I can check out Autopia, the Subs, and small world.
Though I have to admit, I’m not entirely sure what to look for.
Thanks Fred, i would say to look for anything that you feel is out of the ordinary, or may resemble the symbol that we have seen at the TAM and on the Disney cartography site. Thanks again
The submarine ride has changed since it first came out though now it’s finding nemo themed
We’ve got the patent numbers from the Monorail Station, Autopia and Subs areas now, which is great. Did anyone notice the blue and yellow dots at these locations: The Art of Animation, Fun Photos, The Art Corner, National Lead Color Gallery and the 20,000 Leagues Exhibit? Could there be something at these locations too?
Amber and I had a look yesterday evening at the Phone and Bathroom locations marked on the map. Nothing jumped out, some spots used to have phones/bathroom but they are no longer there. Other spots still do have the bathrooms and/or phones but nothing out of the ordinary?
Wow, just… wow. He describes smartphone tech and our social networks so closely it’s almost like he invented everything we take for granted today! About those hand written notes, I’m starting to think Mr. Disney wrote those, just from reading them y’know.
I don’t know if “invent” is the right word. But I think I know what you mean. It’s a lot to consider. A lot to grasp. Just him being a part of anything like this. Where this kind of thinking was going on.
Page 2
Awe man … new blog post, new Wallace art …
Can’t put my detective hat on until I’m done with work.
I really wish that is was out in Disneyland so that i could ride IASW, there has got to be something on that ride or queue that might help us.
Hey – did anyone else notice that on the Wallace map that Autopia has the “car park” sign and the car statue as the only major features of the ride? I’m not old enough to completely remember – but weren’t those added for the current Chevron version in the early 2000s and not in ’59?
I did notice that on the Map Autopia defaintely is marked as “special attractions” i wonder if that means someone will need to check that out… if anyone is going to Disneyland soon, can you check out Autopia?
I’ll be going to Disneyland on Saturday. I’ll be sure to check it out.
Yeah, I think you are right Matthew.
I think you’re right. Going to check it out once I’m off work.
Is it just me, or does the tone, tenor, “feel” of what Carlos has written remind anyone of the narration in Spaceship Earth? It feels so similar to me. References to communication, the shrinking world….read these words and in your mind, listen to them said by Walter Cronkite, Jeremy Irons or Judy Dench…
Yes! Glad I’m not the only one!
Thanks, Emily….somebody gets it, Yay!
That’s what I was thinking! It sound super similar
Absolutely!! That was my first thought! Maybe this was the birth of the concept\creative behind Spaceship Earth?? Birthed… from IASW? Brilliant!
Another great find, Amelia! This definitely solidifies the idea that the project’s vision was not about a single city, but about uniting the entire world. As much as we’ve been focusing on Progressland and the technological developments, IASW was also key to the vision… a vision of a world brought together, living in peace. that’s my initial thought upon reading this. Gotta run… hoping to stop off at Flushing Meadows on my way to work in a bit.
Everything you’re saying, James, Grandpa believed in. I just thought he was unbelievably optimistic. I never considered he could have been talking about anything remotely real.
Definitely getting the vibe of this is describing future tech to VIP guests in a special showing of it’s a small world. Maybe there was an extra section, much like Progressland’s stage opening, only available in secret, that showcased some new tech.
This is definitely referencing some form of cell phone, even if it didn’t envision it as such then. It makes those satellites all the more obvious on the Wallace poster, as satellites, and *towers* bounce electromagnetic waves across wide areas to connect us all. More or less, this is a description of the future of wireless communication/internet.
Reminds me a lot of Spaceship earth’s finale scene previously.
this naration also aligns with Wallace’s script in that on the IASW poster two dolls one at the Taj Mahal the other at the London bridge (both mentioned in the VIP narration) are using cell phones to communicate with each other.
Oooh good one.
Derek you and I think very much alike. You must’ve posted this just as I was starting mine, which was below. XD I hope you don’t think I stole it.
No worries william; as I mentioned in a previous post, a lot of people are on the ball and thinking alike. It’s hard to coordinate who posts when or where, especially with the volume of comments. It’s great!
I like this idea of a secret detour for the VIP “participants”. As stated in WED Enterprises memo to all team members regarding contractor confidentiality…
http://storyorbit.fans/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Attachment1.jpg
“Regarding the special technological demonstrations as$ociated with _______t the World’s Fair, these will now only be shown at predetermined times with predetermined participants. It has been decided that it is not appropriate for for these to be seen by the public at this time”. —-Thusly saying that there was, in fact, a secret production\stage\experience that was open to very few.
But..why?
Sounds like our predetermined times and predetermined participants are our dear Wernher/11:30, Bradbury/1:00 and Howard/3:30.
Sorry, that was supposed to be my comment. I have no idea why it posted under your name, haha.
Haha.. No worries. I was surprised to see it too
Midget autopia was replaced by IASW. http://findingmickey.squarespace.com/other-hidden-dl/tomorrowland/15888270
Do you think that they had come up with future cell-phone technology before anyone else had? I mean, we already know they had technology prototypes for a voicemail system from “Dial ‘T’ for Tam,” even though voicemail tech didn’t come about until the seventies. Perhaps the boats in IASW for VIP guests would divert down a different path that would show them stuff. OR MAYBE this is more of a precursor to Spaceship Earth at Epcott. Or something to that effect. What do you guys think?
after seeing a post on ‘adayindisneyhistory’ blog and reading the script sample that Amelia posted from her grandpa, i wonder if it might’ve been part of the script for the ‘progress city’ model tour. according to the blog, after the visitors were done with the ‘progressland’ tour, they went upstairs to see a 45 minute presentation of ‘progress city’ (epcot). here’s the link to the page i’m referring to: http://www.thisdayindisneyhistory.com/WorldsFair.html
YALL LOOK AT WALLACE’S SITE HE POSTED A NEW PICTURE!!!!
Yea, and there’s some interesting things around Autopia (like the Carpark – which was added in 2000), and the Monorail Platform (which has the modern-day logo), and the Submarine Voyage – which also has a star. There’s got to be clues at these locations.
I’m off to the park around 4:00 p.m. PST. Excited to find this stuff.
Be sure to take a picture at the monorail. Maybe theres a light sensor there. XD
Yea, I have a feeling it’s on that ‘Tomorrowland’ sign, where there used to be an advertisement for the hotels. I would bet that you might be only able to see it at night or something.
Actually it sounds like you might be able to see the sub clue from the monorail platform according to Kalani. So make sure you take a look out.
I’d look at the submarine flagpole, from the platform if possible.
Hastin, I just got back from the park. Did not have much time, but figured some initial recon would prove helpful to someone else later today. When you ride Autopia, if you want a closer look at the Midget Autopia car statue it’s on the far passenger side set of tracks when you load. Also, monorail has been up and down all afternoon for mechanical issues, at least an hour each time. I was unable to get onto the platform and I did not have time to wait in line for the subs. There is a sub docked alone towards the back of the secondary dock (right about where the mark is on the map); it would be visible from the monorail platform. I’ll post the couple pictures I took, but nothing jumped out at me.
My last message is still “awaiting moderation” but here’s what I got from Autopia… The midget car has something new on it’s plaque! “US2861806″
Thanks to Amber who pointed out it looks like a US patent number. http://g.icodex.org/patents/US2861806 “ROCKET SHIP AMUSEMENT APPARATUS” — Walter E. Disney et al
Which is Mission to Mars / Rocket to the Moon / Flight to the Moon.
Somebody needs to go check this out!
Two more patents filed by Walt et al on the same day.
“PASSENGER CARRYING AMUSEMENT DEVICE” aka “Tea Cups” http://www.google.com/patents/USD180585
and “PANORAMIC MOTION PICTURE PRESENTATION ARRANGEMENT” aka “Circlevision 360″ http://www.google.com/patents/US2942516
My other comment is still stuck in moderation, but the Monorail was down while I was there earlier. Hastin I think you’ll beat me there this afternoon, hopefully the monorail is back up, or maybe you can try to convince the CMs to let you up on the platform anyway
Whoa. That’s crazy. This is an interesting read though, and the diagrams! I’m at work now but hopefully I will have some time to read through the patent more fully later, but it seems like an incredibly detailed and accurate description of the ride.
Also, if you ride the submarines but don’t see anything there. Check out the submarine that’s in the secondary dock towards the back, it’s about where the star on the map is.
While I wait for my comments to get out of moderation (one’s been there for an hour), check out any of Disney’s fireworks patents, they make for fascinating reading.
Hopefully someone can get to the submarine ride as there seems to be another clue there as well.
you weren’t kidding, those fireworks patents are super interesting. Walt Disney was a very unique dude.
It looks like that plaque is colored pink on Wallace’s Tomorrowland map to coincide with the star. On the submarines, the pink flags are pink like the star, so it might be worth a shot to pay extra attention to the flags. I was also thinking that those flags to relate to the “signal flag” that has been referenced so many times… thanks to all who can get to Disneyland and are doing such great research!
Thanks for the awesome pic! It’s great for the rest of us to see what’s been placed in these locations!
I posted the few other random pictures of autopia and the subs I took today. They’re at the tail end of my Tam photos. http://flic.kr/s/aHsjGMm8jk
Really cool detail: That Rocket Ship Amusement Apparatus patent was filed July 17, 1956.
Thanks for the heads up. Monorail can be tricky. Once the sun drops, it seems to run better (that pesky heat). I’ll see if I can spot the Submarine Voyage from the platform. I’ll bring my zoom lens.
Thanks for the retcon!
Good point, hope they have it solved. They kept pulling one of the on and off the track which is what was taking so long.
I’ve been looking on Flickr at the view from the platform… Maybe have a look at the “roof” of the submarine show building too, there might be something over there.
Happy to be of help. =)
I loved reading this! It feels like a piece right out of Disney history! Well it’s clear now that your grandfather was certainly working on It’s a Small World with Disney, considering that he wrote this nice narration! But I suppose the question is if he was working on something more… Surely they wouldn’t have just hired him to write the introduction for just one VIP boat ride; they likely were working with him before and knew he was just right to help with this special occasion… but I wonder how they could have been connected.
Yeah, I don’t know anymore, Rachel. Everything you all have pieced together and thinking about what Grandpa may or may not have been involved with has got my head spinning.
This is just so interesting and cool! I wish I could have been one of those VIP’s on that tour! I wonder who’s writing that is, it certainly doesn’t look like your grandfathers. Does it look familiar to you at all? Also I keep thinking, your mom doesn’t seem to know much about the things your grandfather was doing, but maybe he has some friends who do? Can you think of anyone you might be able to ask? Maybe there is an address book around that apartment somewhere with someone in it who might be able to shed some light on all this crazy cool stuff you are finding!
You guys are so on this!!! I remember Mission to Mars in Magic Kingdom. Not sure why the patten number would be on the Autopia car. More questions arise. Lol
A fact I came across today was that the first fleet of Autopia cars was referred to as Mark I and that the first monorails (and submarines) came along with the fifth fleet of vehicles. Something referred to as Mark 0 would refer to vehicles predating the first Autopia cars.
Reminding me also of the, “Auto Apparatus”.
Actually I think I misinterpreted what I read. All vehicles in the same fleet were given the distinction of Mark #. Mark 0 could have been any vehicle, not necessarily a monorail, that predated the Mark I models.
Did anyone else notice that the monorail is labeled Disneyland -ALWEG? That is the company that came up with the concept, right?
You are correct!
The company that built the first monorail. Interesting that the monorail depicted looks like the Mark VII (latest one).
Correction, the pic looks to depict MKI Monorail:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-pJyrHpnVbD4/UeI8qa7m_bI/AAAAAAAADDA/9iyhiX0SS_I/s1600/988643_10201357809846111_1598306233_n.jpg
Wait a sec … seems like there’s a connection between the Tomorrowland 1959 art, and to the patents listed in the meeting minutes: Auto-Apparatus (autopia), Signal Flags (on the submarine platform), and the Mark Zero project (monorail?)
Thoughts?
And doesn’t the script from the last post mention a train?
Whoever is going to Disneyland to check all this out, also take a look at the Historic Mechanical Engineering plaque located at Tomorrowland Station for clues.
Here’s a pic (not from today, fyi):
Yes! Look for clues on the monorail station. I suggest you look for a map or some sort that might look important!
It would make sense, and I’m starting to believe that the “Mark Zero Project” mentioned in the meeting minutes, must be a monorail project that predated the ALWEG “Mark I” monorail that first appeared at Disneyland in 1959. However, the meeting minutes are from 1964 … hmmm.
The first fleet of Autopia cars were designated as “Mark I” as well.
Copy that. So the Mark Zero Project is likely to be some sort of transportation device, not necessarily a monorail though.
I thought that too. Especially when in he script from the other day he mentioned a train that ran on electricity. I immediately thought of the Monorail.
Don’t forget: the peoplemover and omnimovers do too. I believe they were being developed then too
I noticed that in the cartography picture they’re sending you places with pink stars. Anyone else notice that the Matterhorn loading station also has a pink flag and bell? Does anyone else think that’s significant and mind checking it out at DL. After all, it did open in 1959: the same year as the subs and monorail.
We need a close look at those signal flags at the submarine/Nemo attraction. Can someone snap a photo?
Agreed. My photo was too far away and too blurry.
Wow.. lots of action today. This will get lost in all the excitement, but I was at the unisphere today and didn’t discover anything. Took a lot of pics and will go through them at home. Also checked out the sites of Disney’s 4 attractions, and nothing remains of them. no markings, plaques, carvings on trees or benches that I saw. Came up empty. (The museum of art supposedly has stuff from the fair, but it’s closed to the public until October.)
James, awesome that you went. Sometimes the journey is more important than the destination. I’d love to see some pictures.
thanks. going to upload them now and post a link at the bottom of the thread.
Ah, James. I agree with Kalani. SO awesome that you went. You’re a hero in my book.
Thanks!
I found an older picture of the signal flags at the Nemo ride. Given maritime signal flag meanings, it spells out “FINDING NEMO” (I’m sure some of you already knew that, I didn’t know that piece of trivia). I’m hoping that when we get a look at them today, they’ll spell out a clue for us!
Good job everyone who got out today!
Ok . . . So a few things stuck out to me in the narration and Wallace’s Tomorrowland post.
So here they are:
1. The comment about Easter Island in the narration above stuck with me. Both IASW and the current Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage, feature Easter Island heads as can be seen in the photos below. The second photo isn’t the best because it is from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0owgk9tynE
2. Wallace’s new Tomorrowland piece highlights the Submarine Voyage – now Nemo. Maybe there are connections in Tomorrowland and IASW in Disneyland.
3. Wallace’s comment/caption to his new piece reads: “There are still hidden secrets of the original Tomorrowland in the park today; you just have to know where to look.” This definitely suggest a connection to today’s Disneyland Park.
If any of this has been mentioned, I’m sorry for repeating!
.
If not, I hope my ideas can help everyone else.
Have a magical night!
Second photo
Has anyone taken a look at the flags depicted in Wallace’s Tomorrowland map? Dunno if it means anything but here is what they represent and the order they joined the union:
N (New Mexico 47th State) T (Texas 28th State)
A (Alabama 22nd State M (Massachusetts 6th State)
C? (Colorado 38th state) D (Delaware 1st State)
I thought maybe the letters would be an anagram, but not enough vowels!
That’s what I first thought when I looked at the picture.
Perhaps the one I thought was Colorado is Montana or New Hampshire? New Hampshire would be 9, Montana would be 41. With the number 28 it feels like a patent number may be hidden here too.
interesting to only pick these six states. the blue with yellow circle could be any number of states… i’m leaning toward Indiana. Tried to make sentence of the postal abbreviations
Okay! Here’s the clue from the Monorail platform.
It’s another patent code! It’s for a panoramic animation
However, the Submarine Voyage cue isn’t so obvious. It must be in the flags. They do look recently changed. Here’s an album with photos: http://imgur.com/a/JEWUA
I may not know flag code but I know it’s a patent as well. http://www.embassyflag.com/marine3.htm
According to the website, the red and white checker is U and the white with a blue square is S. By looking up the decoder, it is a patent for something.
Nice work Hastin! The US patent is for the circle vision. I can’t make out the flags just yet. We may need a picture of it during daylight hours to make them out.
Also, the image above the patent number is Figure 2 in the patent. It is an overhead view of the camera apparatus that would be mounted on top of a station wagon while filming for the circle vision films.
Notice how there are seven “triangle” flags on Wallace’s poster. There are also 7 digits in each patent number. Each flag must be a specific digit.
I was thinking the same thing.
Definitely looks like another patent number. Going back and forth beween Hastin and Kalani’s photos (far away, but better wind on the flags) It looks like US??41419
Good Work Hastin, i sure wished i lived so closed to Disneyland to just pop by after work
Flags:
US__41419
Can’t make the 2nd, 3rd out.
3rd is ’3′ … working on the 2nd … so far:
US_341419
Here’s the flag order:
U.S.
Red White Blue (Stripes)
Black with White Circle
Wed with White Cross
(Left)
White with Red Dot
Red with White Cross
White with Red Dot
4 Colors: White Blue Yellow Red
I ran a search for each US patent with USX341419 and didn’t see anything that links to Disney. Maybe we do need a daylight picture of the flags.
I ran US3241419 and came up with AUDIO FREQUENCY-RESPONSIVE LIGHTING DISPLAY originally filed in 1964.
came up with the same result.
The patent abstract begins with “Yale W. Gracey, Beverly Hills, Calif, a$$ignor, by mesne (sp?) a$$ignments to WED Enterprises, Inc a corporation of California.”
Also the first paragraph reads “The present invention relates to an audio frequency lighting display in which a commingled display of relatively sharp and relatively diffuse light images is projected upon a display panel.”
I’m not seeing the relationship just yet but we are getting somewhere.
Yale Gracey was an imagineer known for working on the special effect on the Haunted Mansion, they even named the owner of the Mansion Master Gracey after him. There is a 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea Connection to the Haunted Mansion, the Organ in the the ballroom scene is Captain Nemo’s Organ.
wow! natasha, thanks for the info on yale gracey. from the youtube videos of Walt Disney showing the work they were doing on the world’s fair audio anamatronic puppets, mr. disney did explain he got the ideas for the anamated puppets from the giant octopus they created for the 20,000 Leagues movie.
Update/correction … I cannot make out the 4th flag. I have:
US3x41419
It could be a substitute pennant. I tried “brute forcing” it, (substituted 0-9) and didn’t come up with anything at first glance.
Any thoughts?
Post has been “moderated” … boo.
Almost sounds like this is the beginnings of the parade floats for the electrical parade. The lights dance to the music. I wonder what else it could be for. World of Colorado has the lasers set to coordinate with music. Any thoughts?
Holy cow, look what I miss during a busy day at work! Love how quickly everyone has jumped in on a lot of this (including making it down to Disneyland) – and how in-sync most everyone seems to be. It’s interesting to me how most everything seems to be “future” related, and then there’s It’s a Small World -just popping up everywhere, just like how the song always gets stuck in your head
I wonder WHY we’re being directed to all these specific patents – unless these were some initially ‘secret’ things they were working on at the Worlds Fair? Amelia- your grandfather sure was on to something BIG. Crazy!
Yeah, Jaclyn, wasn’t sure before. But however way you look at it, sure seems to be the case.
The first thing I thought of when I saw the diagram in the patent was the old “Dancing Waters/Fantasy Waters” show from the Disneyland Hotel. And, after a little research, I found some info that suggested that the plumbing and hardware for that show came from a water show at the ’64 World’s Fair (which can be seen at the end of the Disneyland at the World’s Fair special). I have no idea how all those things relate! Here is the website I was looking at, scroll down to the comments for the connection: http://gorillasdontblog.blogspot.com/2012/07/dancing-waters-disneyland-hotel-sept.html
What about the colored lights and fountains outside the Monsanto Hall of Chemistry? I wonder if there was music playing?
Now that you mentioned it, I wonder about that as well.
the light are in the same pattern and layot as the satalites on the IASW poster
I was at Disney recently, and I don’t think the water had music to it
Here’s another website that talks about the water show at the World’s Fair: http://www.nywf64.com/danwat01.shtml
Not sure if there is any messaging in this, but the state flags by the World Clock. From l to r:
Montana (not positive), Alabama, New Mexico, Texas, Massachusetts, Delaware.
I was so excited when I figured out the flags and found the patent. Good work on getting it done faster than I did. LOL!! what attraction is this patent for? what about the skydome spectacular portion of the Carousel of Progress?
Patent 3241414 “AUDIO FREQUENCY-RESPONSIVE LIGHTING DISPLAY” aka the “Kaleidophonic Wall” in the preshow/loading area of Carousel of Progress. It apparently made its way to Disneyland after the World’s Fair but was gone by the time the attraction moved to WDW.
Link to some more photos of the screens. http://www.worldsfaircommunity.org/topic/8665-ges-kaleidophonic-screens/
Typo. To avoid confusion this is patent #3241419 which matches the signal flags at the Submarines.
“After getting settled in the first theater of CoP, an on-stage curtain rose to reveal a wall of textured plastic called “Kaleidophonic Screens.” As Father welcomed us aboard, colored lights, behind the plastic, blinked and changed with his narrative. In the 1960’s, this was an impressive sight.” From http://land.allears.net/blogs/jackspence/2011/01/carousel_of_progress_part_two.html
Great work! that definitely fits the description in the patent. I’d say this is where that clue is pointing us to!
How I would love to be in california at the moment to look out for the riddles. A big thank you to all the people documenting their finds here and elsewhere!
Amelia – i have to wonder about the script you found in your grandpa’s apartment. are you sure it was a script? it may have been his style/idea to write his ideas/thoughts in script form instead of dated and signed journal entries.
Honestly, Jody, I’m not sure. Anything seems to be possible with that man.
so after looking at the link that Kalani posted above, I am pretty sure that these screen were represented by the drawing on Table 31 at the TAM.
Brilliant!
Nice job connecting these!
In someone’s earlier post they mentioned 360 filming patent.
I know right now the Canada section in Epcot has a 360 film showing off Canada, although it is defiantly made after the 1960s. But this also reminds me of the 360-ness of the ride inside the Epcot ball.
First circle vision was in Circarama theatre (“America the Beautiful). Located in Tomorrowland. I think that is where it is pointing us.
Circarama/Circle-Vision still exists at Epcot: Reflections of China and O Canada! Here’s a good history of the Circle-Vision Theater at Disneyland: http://disneylandcompendium.blogspot.com/2008/10/nomenclature-narrative-history-of.html
Back in 1967 WDI did do a Circle Vision 360 film for the Expo 67 in Canada. This was a precursor to the 360 films of today. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_67_pavilions
Bell Telephone Pavilion, also known as the Telephone Pavilion: The pavilion’s feature attraction was the exciting Walt Disney Imagineering Circle-Vision 360° documentary film Canada ’67. From the Expo ’67 Guide Book: “You’re on centre stage for the RCMP Musical Ride… on centre ice for hockey… on the track at the Stampede! CIRCLE-VISION 360° surrounds you with all the fun and excitement of Canada’s most thrilling events and its scenic beauty. And then, take your children to the Enchanted Forest… see exciting new communication services for the future… all in the Telephone Pavilion!”
You could do video calls from Expo 67′s Telephone Pavilion to booths at Circarama’s post-show in Disneyland.
I think that the clues from the voicemail line, actually pointed us to the patents clues first; Signal Flag (Nemo Subs), Auto Apparatus (Autopia), and Mark 0, nobody thought about checking the rides out until Wallace posted the “Tomorrowland’ map. Good work everyone!
If they were code names for their respective patents…
Signal Flag – “Audio Frequency-Responsive Lighting Display” – CoP
Auto Apparatus – “Rocket Ship Amusement Apparatus” – Rocket to the Moon
Mark 0 Project – “Panoramic Motion Picture Presentation” Arrangement – Circarama
I guess I meant to say, I think that the clues on the voicemail were pointing us towards the locations in the park that had the clues for the patents… Wow that is confusing! in other words I think that now that we have found the locations in Disney, I don’t know if we need to look into what Mark 0, Auto Aparatus, and Signal Flag mean anymore. maybe I am wrong though???
wow good work everyone how i wish I could be there! maybe these patent numbers will help us unlock the “new” access code for more meeting minutes voicemail messages
correction– we need to find what the lady on the voicemail refers to as the “new conference number” and code. now that we know WHAT the patents are, we have to figure out how they are “integral to the development of the city” what would the auto apparatus patent, the signal flags, and the monorail (im a$$uming thats what we still think Mark 0 refers to) along with the circlevision do for the futuristic city that they were secretly developing?? (ps– really? I have to use dollar signs?? come on…)
just throwing this out there, but while browsing the patents, it seems the term “auto apparatus” has another meaning I haven’t seen under consideration. It could mean a device that automatically does something, or automates something. Doesn’t necessarily have to be referring to an automobile or vehicle.
Thanks for throwing that out there James. I’d thought about that, but no idea yet on something.
On another note I think we’ve been overthinking alot of these; it’s appearing the simplest answer is most likely the case
I agredd with you Derek.
*Agree
also agreed. sometimes the simplest explanation is best. I was thinking the “signal flag” part of the project could be the communication aspect, given that is their purpose. “Mark 0″ could be a prototype for an advanced form of transportation. Just not sure what the auto-apparatus refers to… that could be just about anything.
Something i mentioned earlier, two other electric automatic vehicles that were developed then are the omnimover and people mover. But those are just ideas, need to research some to see whether I’m right about times
I posted over in the For the Record post, but i got the album in the mail today. Just wanted to point people towards it because there hasn’t been much conversation in that post lately.
That’s awesome! enjoy it!
Not sure if anyone has a D23 membership (free version available)…but there is an article about the Monsanto Plastics Home of the Future posted today. Maybe it will provide some clues.
Here is the link…https://d23.com/disneyland-home-of-the-future-construction-photos/?CMP=EMC-eml&att=20130718_D23_FanFare
Upon reading up on the CoP on Wiki, I found this:
he soundtrack was also released as part of the 5-disc CD set Walt Disney and the 1964 World’s Fair released on March 24, 2009 which includes instrumental versions of “There’s a Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow” representing different eras of progress, and an early “Alternate Universe” version of the complete show.
Nothing directly co-relating, but fun to think about the idea of “alternate universes.”
I just found some of the “alternate universe” tracks on the D-Cot website. Free to listen! It’s under “Disney-Related” audio.
I have that set if you need any information from it!
Wallace has made some interesting comments on Twitter:
“I’m an art making machine!”
“People say I remind them of ‘Father’ but I don’t see it.” (referring to his first ride on Carousel of Progress.
He’s also denied being left handed, although his website shows him drawing with his left hand.
This is total speculation … *putting tin-foil fedora on* … but might Wallace be an advanced animatronic?
And Wallace went out of his way to comment on his favorite animatronic – Lincoln.
For any of you interested, here are the pics i took of my short time walking around Flushing Meadows Corona Park. Lots of the unisphere with some close up shots of continents and inside. Some statues in the area, and the sites the Disney exhibits used to stand on, according to my map.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/99134548@N04/sets/72157634707858635/
Thank you James for the pics it brought back some good memories for me. Glad someone was able to get out here, even if I can’t see any hidden messages I am sure some one will.
Awesome pics James! Looks like a nice place to spend the afternoon.
Do you think I should go to the Lincoln exhibit and show for clues at Disneyland?
To add even more credence to our theory that there was a secret ‘alternate’ path for IASM at the World’s Fair, Wallace just posted on Twitter “Once, IASW broke down and people heard this strange sound coming from behind the wall. #64worldsfairmemories”
I know! I really hope he responds to fans’ questions on that one… It’s hard to get answers out of him.
This to me, sounds so much like Mission Space….It may not be verbatim, but reading just the first few lines, I felt like it could have been reminiscent of the narration from Mission Space.
Also – I know its different dates, different parks, but could have been scrapped for IASW, and used for Mission Space, they never throw things out – just find a right time to use them.
this letter sounds so much like a segament Spaceship Earth as you progress more and more into the future. When on the ride you go from newspaper to radio to television to computers.
Pingback: Canon 40d camera
Pingback: seo consultant los angeles
Pingback: RaceCar
Pingback: revitol stretch
Pingback: check credit score for free
Pingback: Canon 40d price
Pingback: Mira Mesa Street Fair
Pingback: Durham CenterFest
Pingback: im target scam
Pingback: best weight loss supplement for men