So apparently Walt loved himself some chili. You know the way I kind of enjoy coffee milk? Yeah, like that. Over the weekend, I read some stuff about Walt enjoying chili and beans so much that he carried cans of it with him whenever he traveled. Can you imagine? Trying to stuff slacks and socks into a suitcase filled with canned beans and chili? I can, of course. I mean, I wouldn’t even think about stepping outside this state without a five-gallon jug of coffee syrup. No way. So, needless to say, I can relate.
Mmm…. chili.
Still, with the discovery you made at Chili John’s over the weekend – one of Walt’s Haunts on Wallace’s map – I can’t help but wonder: did Walt carry all those cans around simply because the chili and beans were so darned tasty? *Shrug.* Here’s a recap, in your words and pictures, of what Jeremiah and you other optimists found at Chili John’s.
Coming from MD I didn’t know what coffee milk was, so I ordered some and now I can’t get enough of it! Couldn’t be there for the chili but it looks like everyone did a great job.
Absolutely! You all were lucky to be able to be there! Plus you all were so incredibly lucky to get to go inside club33 which is like, something I would give my right arm for
Heading there later this week. Hopefully there are still cans left!
I know most of you are asleep; especially here in the east coast, but I think I might be on to something!
Remember that symbol we saw in the monorail flash shot. According to what I looked at on the plate and the map. I noticed something interesting. We were not suppose to put them based on what the symbols associate, like Samuel Clemen with Mark Twain, but rather what we already know just from looking at it!
If the SLC symbol was found in the monorail station, then the one I predicted might lead to those possible places might be.
It seems far fetched and crazy but it might work!
I like the way you think. I forgot about that. Is there a way to get a high res of this picture you attached? I’m gonna try to go out Aug 1st for ‘The Bench’ meet up, and maybe the group that’ll be there too can try to find more clues.
Sure thing! I have it right here. I don’t know if it has a better resolution because I am working on this iPad. Ill try and fix it up tomorrow.
Thanks! I have a thing for solving mysteries and this is one of them.
Again, I will get into that tomorrow to fix the map up.
I really like how you think too! So clever but makes me even more curious! We must try exploring this!
Good thought, I wonder where that symbol came into play. I also saw a photo of the WED castle logo show up in a flag over the Mark Twain dock, so perhaps we need to invert the plate so that WED is facing toward the Rivers of America. I flipped the plate and rotated 90 degrees to try this theory out. Hopefully we’ll discover more symbols soon.
Geren, I think your inverted picture is starting to make a lot more sense with some of the initials, at least! Amelia’s plane points towards the Opera House, which houses her picture on display. Jules Vernes points towards Tomorrowland where the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea exhibit used to live. The logo found on the Monorail platform lines up with Samuel Langhorne Clemens’s initials. Hmmm…
Whoops, guess that flag with the D, castle logo, and six stars has been around since at least 2011. Saw the photo on Micechat and ITM.
http://storyorbit.fans/family-stories#comment-3735
They symbol was also on the Lott Plans for the Mark 0 (Circlevision) – I wonder if there is some connection there, too?
I’m not too sure the symbol on the monorail is the SLC symbol. They actually look pretty different. The SLC symbol has little handles on the outside, monorail symbol doesn’t. The SLC symbol has a filled-in middle, while the monorail symbol is open. I may just be too picky though lol.
I think that the symbol on the monrail relates to the patent it mentions… US2942516
Exactly, which probably goes back to the Circlevision attraction that was once at Disneyland (and is now at WDW)
I wonder if, combined with the carousel, this patent assisted them with the ideas mentioned on the record. Going into stasis, going to other worlds, etc.
Phelan – you’re talking about the Carousel of Progress, not Circlevision.
Circlevision also moved to Epcot/Florida. At least that’s what Wikipedia is telling me!
We got our chili today! Loving this adventure! Thanks Amelia!
What is the other symbol inside the crest on that plate? I can’t really make it out.
Sorry about that! I’ll post the crest ASAP!
Again, I apologize for that problem. I was working on my iPad because my computer was at the repair center and I will get it back tomorrow.
He really loved Chilli. I can’t imagine loving one food so much that I would have to travel with it. If I had to pick one food, It’d have to be Dole whips. I could eat those things anywhere.
Playing off of Roland’s idea of lining the SLC symbol to the monorail, where we found a similar symbol. I created to following map extending spokes radiating from the center of Disneyland with an interesting outcome. AME points to gadgets go-go coaster/storybook land ride, JGV points to small world, TEA points to HISTA or Space mountain, WED points to the Opera House/Old Bank (gallery), AEG points in the direction of Jungle Cruise’s Waterfall, HGW points to New Oleans train station, NT points to the fort in TS Island.
It’s all speculation, hopefully it leads somewhere.
Here is another map. This one has the plate inverted.
Thank you so much for using my idea and for creating this! Sorry that I wasn’t able to make a better resolution of the map.
Man, Amelia! I now have two things to thank you for… this amazing adventure and Storify! I absoultely LOVE this site!!! What a fab way to share a story. I’m inspired.
(oh, and coffee milk ROCKS!!!!!)
Amelia, if you find yourself away from RI for a long time and run out of syrup, here’s a great recipe I modified from several I found on the Internet. This one works for me on strength… you can play with it if you try it and think it is too strong or too weak. You could also make it with flavored coffee… if you want to get crazy!
Deborah’s Coffee Syrup Recipe
~ 8 cups EXTRA STRONG coffee (make 8 cups of coffee with 2 ½ cups Espresso roast grounds)
~ 8 cups sugar (NOT Splenda, Equal, etc… this is not a diet item!)
Combine in a sauce pan and bring to a boil over medium high heat, stirring constantly and assuring all the sugar dissolves into the coffee. Once it boils, reduce heat to medium low and let simmer for 10-15 minutes stirring occasionally (once every 3-4 minutes), or until it reduces to 4 cups of syrup. Store in a tightly sealed jar or bottle in the refrigerator for up to one month (if it lasts that long).
When I make it, I make 12 to 16 cups worth at a time, giving one bottle to a friend who loves it but has no time to make it. I use old syrup containers for storage!
After seeing all the yummy stuff on Storify, so want to venture up to Burbank!
Amelia – You ask some good questions that we need to keep pursuing and I have a lot more questions swirling around in my head that maybe the group can help answer.
Who wrote the messges and who received them?
Did new members get recruited? Some of the new members could have been very young in 1966 – from science fairs (high school), CalArts (college), college faculty and government agencies.
Who are the audience of the Science Factual television shows and how would they be “tested?”
Are there more cans with any different messages? (Katherine got a message yesterday at Chili John’s yesterday.)
Are there hidden messages in the messages? Some of the words seem a little odd – maybe there is a code? Also some of the words are lighter than others in the messages – could this be a hidden message?
Has anyone tried to look at their message under a black light or other lighting?
How about the can itself – I don’t find any town called San Uriah in California nor a company called “Produce Licensing Unlimited.” Are these clues?
Sorry to post so many questions and so few answers, but I will keep thinking about it and hopefully others have ideas.
These are some great questions Laura! I wonder if you may be on to something with the “hidden messages” within the messages! Especially under different lighting conditions as they have already employed the use of “hidden messages” through the use of flash photography.
So far we’ve gotten tipped off by Wallace in the situations where flash photography was necessary – but yeah, maybe there’s some less obvious instruction there, too!
Just hit my message with a black light and a flash camera, also checked for a watermark. No beans. :/
Ok, here’s…maybe something? I popped San Uriah into an anagram solver. It came up with mostly gibberish, but one recognizable word was the surname “Hirasuna.” Sure enough googling “Hirasuna Disney” got me an article written by a D. Hirasuna from a couple years ago with a nice shiny graphic:
http://www.atissuejournal.com/2009/08/07/walt-disney’s-creative-organization-chart/
Wow, that is a crazy graphic and an interesting connection to San Uriah, but the article doesn’t seem to help us very much, unless I’m missing something. Thanks for trying the black light and flash, I was wondering where I could find a black light. Does your message have some of the letters and words lighter than the others? I think mine did, but it is at home and I am at work.
Yeah, mine is virtually identical to the one posted by Katherine earlier today. Words faded are: need, (part of) recruit, is, (part of) recruitment, (part of) overt, state, on, look, (part of) burdened, avoid, and fixated. And there may be even more that are only slightly faded. Not sure if faded words are significant or not.
Walt really was into cycles…
That chicken chili was delicious!
Okay so the major variants in the chili cans are…
MIT
CalTech
Carnegie Mellon
DARPA
NASA
Science Factual audience
CalArts
And local state and national science fairs.
What is the connection there?
I think this was the society trying to find/steal away smart, creative people that were also good at heart (couldn’t be persuaded by money) in order to build whatever they were planning on building.
Exactly. They looked for optimistic futurists, not bogged down with doubt and negativity. They hopefully found those with a keen eye for observation and a mind for the future.
I am going in a completely different direction from relating all of this to tomorrowland. During 1966, wouldn’t Disney been busy with EPCOT ?
Yup. In fact his last on-film/TV appearance was the first public announcement of EPCOT. Sadly Walt passed away in December of that year, before his vision of EPCOT (hint: the “C” stood for “city” instead of “community”) could be completed. I wanted to note that most/all of the dates we have on the timeline are before his death and before the major overhaul of Tomorrowland in 1967 that saw the arrival of the Peoplemover and Adventure Thru Inner Space.
Link to the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GOYu05GknY
I was thinking that we might be going away from Disneyland too. Part of Wallace’s message to us at Club 33 was that we must work together and can’t do this alone. What if he means we literally can’t do this alone because we can’t be in CA and FL at once. What happens if we overlay the plate/compa$$ to Disneyworld? Does anything line up?